Wednesday, April 5th

We discussed and worked through chapters 10-12 through our “corporation battle.”

Please post your favourite quotation from chapters 11-12  and comment on its significance.  You must post by midnight on Thursday, April 7th.

Read chapters 13-14 for Friday.


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  1. My favourite quote from chapters 11-12 is “But the savage had suddenly broken away from his companions and was violently retching, behind a clump of laurels, as though the solid earth had been a helicopter in an air pocket” from page 160 paragraph 4. John is horrified to see the creation of identical Gamma and Deltas, because he believes in nature and everybody is born different, as Bernard said earlier “Partly on his interest being focussed on what he calls ‘the soul'”. This is a dramatic irony between John and the people who lives in the New World. John finds the practice of replicating life as disgusting and unacceptable, while the people in the New World finds it as an extraordinary process. John’s disgust is similar to the people’s reaction when him and Linda arrives at Bloomsbury Centre, everybody laughs at Linda’s looks and the fact that John exists as a “son”. This quote is also an unexpected occurrence to John, because he expects London to be a place of happiness. However, the zeitgeist in the New World is very different from his, and he cannot accept everything. Before he starts “violently retching”, he quotes “O brave new world that has such people in it” from Shakespeare. He used this quote before arriving in London, with a feeling of excitement. Now he references the quote again, no longer feeling overjoyed, but with shock.

    • …not dramatic irony but situational irony…

  2. My favorite quote is “O brave new world… ” By some malice of his memory the Savage found himself repeating Miranda’s words. “O brave new world that has such people in it” (160) spoken by John. It is an allusion to Shakespeare’s play, “the tempest” He also says “O brave new world…” in chapter 8 when Bernard asks him to come to World State with him. Although, John’s feeling towards “world state” is slightly different this time. He is not as excited as he was in ch 8, and he locks himself in his room.

    • What is John’s primary objection to the World State?

  3. “‘You’re envious’ [Bernard] said. Helmholtz shook his head. ‘I’m rather sad, that’s all,’ he answered. Bernard went off in a huff. Never, he told himself, never would he speak to Helmholtz again” (pg. 136, chpt. 11).

    This quote stood out to me particularly because it clearly signifies the beginning of the end of a once closely acquainted friendship between Bernard and Helmholtz. Although both were initially intimate over a mutual ostracism from society, Bernard explicitly appears to have disregarded their connection. Additionally, this exemplifies a brief dynamic character change in Bernard’s morals and views of life, as he transitions from an original disdain for sexual pleasures, to a captivated favour of promiscuity. Subsequently, it leads to the ultimate collapse of Bernard and Helmholtz’s relationship since Bernard begins acting more indifferent towards him as he becomes increasingly conceited. Moreover, this also encapsulates the notion of the cyclic wheel of fortune, in the sense that Bernard seems to have spun to the peak of power and dominance (temporarily), as opposed to before, when he was completely neglected by his people.

    • Can you contrast the degree of Bernard and Helmholtz’s opposition to the World State?

  4. ‘No, we can’t rejuvenate. But I’m very glad,’ Dr. Shaw had concluded, ‘to have had this opportunity to see an example of senility in a human being. Thank you very much for calling me in.” He shook Bernard warmly by the hand, (135)
    This quote resembles the mentality of the people in civilization. They prioritize science and themselves more than the well-being of a human. If Linda were to die, there is no loss because they can easily create a new human which is one of the problems in the civilized world. Overpopulation is a problem. If someone is going to die, no one, not even the doctors, would bother doing much to prevent it because it is a pending problem and more deaths means the lesser they would have to deal with the problem. This problem of overpopulation and multiplying embryos (Bokanovskyfying) influences their mentality of putting science first and health last. Instead of going to Bernard’s apartment to treat Linda with what is best, he leaves with thanking Bernard for the opportunity to see a savage.

    • What does this passage reveal about the World State’s stance on euthanasia?

  5. My favourite quote from ch11-12 is
    “O brave new world…” By some malice of his memory the Savage found himself repeating Miranda’s words. “O brave new world that has such people in it.” (160) spoke by John. It is an allusion from Shakespeare’s play, The Tempest. As John reads Shakespeare, he expresses his feeling using allusion from the book. He also says, “O brave new world…” in ch 8 when Bernard asks him to come to World State with him. However, John’s feeling towards World State is slightly different this time. He doent like “civilization” and locks himself in his room.

  6. “Success went fizzily to Benard’s head, and in the process completely reconciled him (as any good intoxicant should do) to a world which, up till then, he had found very unsatisfactory.” (136)

    This quote drew my attention because in a way, Bernard and John are very much simillar. They are both outcasted by their own society. The difference is that Bernard is dissatisfied with his PLACE in society not much of society as a whole. John in the other hand, despises society all together. Bernard acts different after his fame rises as his “sucess [goes] fizzily to Bernard’s head” (136). In the beginning, Bernard was ridiculed for his thinking and physical features. Now, Bernard boasts about his popularity to Helmholtz telling him that he slept with “six girls last week” (136). Helmholtz knows that in reality people continue to dislike Bernard because “behind his back people shook their heads” (137) and the only reason for Bernard’s popularity is due to having a connection with John “the savage”. Sucess and fame is too much in Bernard’s head to the point he writes a report to Mustapha Mond. This quote shows how much Bernard just really wanted to fit in society, and how society didnt accept him which was his reason for being against it in the first place.

  7. Personally, my favourite quote is from chapter 11: “Looking down through the window in the floor, the Savage could see Lenina’s upturned face, pale in the bluish light of the lamps. The mouth was open, she was calling. Her foreshortened figure rushed away from him; the diminishing square of the roof seemed to be falling through the darkness.” (114)

    this quote shows that The new world is a painful experience for John because it furthers his isolation. Now he is isolated from the one person he had in the reservation: his mother.

  8. My favourite quotation from chapter 11 and 12 is “In the Beta-Minus geography room John learnt that “a savage reservation is a place which, owing to unfavorable climatic or geological conditions, or poverty of natural resources, has not been worth the expense of civiling.” A click; the room was darkened; and suddenly, on the screen above Master’s head, there were the Penitents of Acoma prostrating themselves before Our Lady, and wailing as John had heard them wail, confessing their sins before Jesus on the Cross, before the eagle image of Pookong. …” (chapter 11, page 12).

    This happens, when John, Bernard and Head Mistress are in the Beta-Minus geography classroom.
    The students laugh about the movie about Jesus on the Cross. John is disgusted about this, because this is the story, he learned from the reservation to believe in.
    This quotation shows well, that the “Zeitgeist” of the people who live in the reservation is totally diffrent to the “Zeitgeist” of the people who live in the civilisation. The people in the reservation believe in god, and the people in the civilisation believe in the ford. This is one big difference between those two “life forms”.

  9. “Bernard ha dproclaimed his triumph on every invitation card. But the Savage had chosen this evening of all evenings to lock himself up in his room, to shout ‘Hani!’ and even (it was lucky that Bernard didn’t understand Zuni) ‘Sons eso tse-na!’ What should have been the crowning moment of Bernard’s whole career had turned out to be the moment of his greated humiliation.” (175-176)

    This quote occurs when Bernard invites multiple people, advertising that they would “meet the Arch-Community-Songster of Canterbury and Mr. Savage” (175) in an attempt to further increase his growing popularity. I chose this quote because it highlights, though quite quickly, the concept of fortune’s wheel. Bernard starts out as a nobody who chooses to isolate himself. However, Bernard rapidly grows in fame and desirability which places him higher and higher on the wheel. with that being said, he is arrogant in his success, and begins acting unfriendly towards Helmholtz. Bernard later experiences an epic humiliation that may have been equal or even worse than he would have experienced if the director was successful in deporting him.

  10. “In the Beta-Minus geography room John learnt that ‘a savage reservation is a place which, owing to unfavourable climate or geological conditions, or poverty of natural resources, has not been worth the expense of civilizing.'” (141)

    John, a savage, has been slowly discovering the World State, and all of a sudden learns that the civilized people are taught to know that the reservation is a horrible and an inhabitant place. John, being born as a savage sort of ‘feels betrayed’ that the civilized people actually thought of savages as lowlives and people that suffer from poverty and unfavourable living conditions. This quote is significant towards the book because this is partly the start of John thinking that the World State is not all that heavenly place to be at.

  11. My favourite quote was

    “… ..make [Civilization] lose their faith in happiness as the Sovereign Good and take to believing instead, that the goal was somewhere beyond, somewhere outside the present human sphere; that the purpose of life was not the maintenance of well-being, but some intensification and refining of consciousness, some enlargement of knowledge. Which was, the Controller reflected, quite possibly true. But not, in the present curcumstance, admissible… What fun would be, if one didn’t have to think about happiness!” (177)

    because it raises a problem in how society is structured and human nature. The society in Brave New World is structured so that everybody is happy, even the lowest castes, and the motto of the world state is even “Community, Identity, Stability”. Society has become a utopia, with no pain and no reason to advance in life, a “dead-end” for progress. Mustapha Mond refuses to let a paper become published, in fear of higher caste members lose their faith in the system, and return to a “primitive society” with the hunt for knowledge. The author is satirizing utopias and how they will never exist because humanity would prefer a world with advancement, rather than one that is perfect.

  12. “Our library,” said Dr. Gaffney, “contains only books of reference. If our young people need distraction, they can get it at the feelies. We don’t encourage them to indulge in any solitary amusements.” (142)

    I chose this quote because it continues to demonstrate how John feels out of place in the regular society. The ban on Shakespeare and other books is because its too solitary. John however, used Shakespeare to comfort himself when he was feeling alone but because he was the only person who read Shakespeare on the reservation, he spent more and more time separated from the other kids.

  13. My Favourite Quote on this Chapter is ” Perhaps its because he doesn’t like me” This Quote is my personal favourite because in this book everyone has different feeling. Also How they change when they met John in the Reservation Their personality change and it remind me about the Unready to wear. It’s a similiar but unready to wear they hate their bodies but their personality changes alot! However in bnw there is alot of things going on.

  14. My favorite quote from chapters eleven to twelve was

    “Helmholtz and the Savage took to one another at once. So cordially indeed that Bernard felt a sharp pang of jealousy. In all these weeks he had never come to so close intimacy with the Savage as Helmholtz immediately achieved.” (159)

    I chose this quote because once John and Helmholtz met, they feel a strong bond between each other and once Bernard see’s this, he immediately does not like this and the way he feels about isolation and slowly getting stronger. I think that John and Helmholtz felt a strong connection once they met is because of their interest in the literature arts. As soon as John and Helmholtz try to make conversation, Bernard feels the need to interrupt one another. I think Bernard feels this way because he does not want to be isolated. Bernard does not want to feel left out and lose a friend.

  15. My favorite quotation from Chapters 11 and 12 is “O brave new world that has such people in it.” (Page 160).

    This quote is an allusion from Act 1, Scene 5 from one of Shakespeare’s play called “The Tempest.” In the play, Miranda, the daughter of the former duke Prospero, had been exiled and had not seen Milan (Or in Brave New World, referred to as the “Other Place” by Linda).

    John in the book, who had longed to see the “Other Place” that Linda has always told him about, was awed when Bernard had invited him and Linda back to London to see what the “Other Place” was like. John could finally go back and could see his long-lost father from 20 years ago.

    John thoughts of how amazing the “Other World” between the reader’s experience is a powerful example of dramatic irony.

    Similarly, sometimes, in life, things that we have high hopes for, or something that we long to see, may not always be the same as of how we thought how amazing it would be.

  16. The World state wouldn’t mind assisted suicide; it would be a gain for society. Dead bodies get burned up and the phosphorous that is produced gets used again. The World State would be more focused on what people could contribute to their world more than their well-being, especially since Linda is sick and ugly, they would have more incentive to get rid of her because there is nothing good she could give while she is alive

  17. The cut off for postings was MIDNIGHT, Thursday, April 6th. If you just posted now, it’s too late.

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